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Here is another quote from
Bhagavatam:
"For advancement in anything, especially in
spiritual life, one must strictly follow the bona
fide instructions of the teacher. Aditi did this.
She strictly followed the instructions of her
husband and guru. As confirmed in the Vedic
injunctions, yasya deve parabhaktir yatha deve tatha
gurau [SU 6.23]. One should have complete faith in
the guru, who helps the disciple make progress in
spiritual life. As soon as the disciple thinks
independently, not caring for the instructions of
the spiritual master, he is a failure (yasyaprasadan
na gatih kuto 'pi). Aditi very strictly followed the
instructions of her husband and spiritual master,
and thus she was successful."
SB 8.17.2, SB 8.17.3, SB 8.17.2-3
Prabhupada wrote as follows in a letter to Trai dasa
whilst in Bombay December 27, 1972:
"So if you are very serious to remain tightly there
in Boston center and develop it fully, I am very
much pleased upon you for this. That is advancement
in Krsna Consciousness, to stick tightly to the
desire or orders of the spiritual master; because my
Guru Maharaja ordered it, and I am also ordering it:
Go on preaching, spread this Krsna Consciousness all
over the world.
Letter to: Trai - Bombay December 27, 1972
So even though Srila Prabhupada has departed I try
to satisfy him in his vani presence. I regret that I
was not able to convey to you sufficent faith in
Srila Prabhupada's vani (instructions). But he can
certainly be still present for you as your siksa
guru if you value his words.
"He reasons ill who says that Vaisnavas die,
When thou art living still in sound!
The Vaisnavas die to live, and living try
To spread the holy name around." |
>so as you have rightly pointed out, my previous
guru relationships were lacking and I was cheated
because I failed to genuinely cry out. But finally
after so much pain and disappointment, 31 years
later Krsna has kindly heard my sincere cry for help
and that spontaneous attraction for
Srila Narayana Maharaha is the most profoundly real
thing I have ever exprienced in spiritual life since
I have started chanting<
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It seems you have perhaps had
some other lesser "spontaneous attractions" before.
You took initiations 2 times from ISKCON gurus who
left the movement. Even you wanted diksa from me. I
have not left yet. Now Narayana
Maharaja. I am hoping and praying that one day you
will have an even greater attraction to turn back
again to Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet within ISKCON. |
>at the cost of a comfortable easy life on the
path of least resistance in ISKCON, I am now
compelled to follow what is needed for my spiritual
wellbeing, and will
have to face so much hardship, insult, the cold
shoulder etc. all because of who my guru is, but
then again how real where these friendships in
ISKCON if that's the case? Nothing has changed for
me. Srila Prabhupada is still the
one who saved me. My life's mission is still to try
and help spread the sankirtan movement. What can I
say?
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Yes. As Srila Prabhupada saved
you please always stay grateful and faithful to him.
Please help spread the samkirtan movement as best
you can in whatever
mode you can. There are millions who need the Holy
names and devotional service in any form. Even the
spirit of being in a rival movement to ISKCON may
purify you gradually. Competition is also good in
any business. I will
always be hoping that sometime you will once more
regain full faith in Srila Prabhupada's movement
even despite its apparent shortcomings. Please see
the cold shoulders also as Prabhupada's mercy. He
wants you to come to
your senses again. |
> it is not a question of "now on the other
side of the fence" on Srila Prabhupada's deathbed he
took Srila Narayan Maharaja's hand in his, and told
him he has taken
his untrained monkeys as far as he could in a
limited space of time and requested Srila Narayan
Maharaja to please help them furher, which Srila
Narayana Maharaja promised to do till his last
breath. Which is all he is trying to do. Why
this is not made known in ISKCON? Please research
this in an unbiased way, and don't just accept the
standard partyline. There are many stalward
Prabhupada disciples for whom the penny has dropped <
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Please can you inform me of the
source of this "untrained monkey's" quote at that
time of Prabhupada's departure. |
> I'm trying to research and formulate a point for
point response to your letter, so please bear with
me until then.< |
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I am glad you are researching
these matters. Of course there are various ways to
hear and study from Srila Prabhupada and other
acharyas too. An important new one is by going to "Vanipedia"
on the internet. You must have heard of Wikipedia?
Using that Wiki software many devotees all over the
world headed by Vishnu Murti in Radhadesh are
working hard to scan and compile all of Srila
Prabhupada's instructions on all topics
systematically and make them accessible in
categories so anyone can approach and digest them
easily. It is a fascinating ongoing project for
preserving Srila Prabhupada's legacy to the world.
It is not that Vishnu Murti is some kind of ISKCON
"stooge" - far from it. Simply he wants to present
Srila Prabhupada's vani-the knowledge he is giving
in a convenient form for all comers. Fortunately
nowadays by internet this can be done very cheaply. |
> most importantly i recognize the insult and
offence to Your Holiness by taking harinama
elsewhere without your knowledge. I humbly fall on
the ground at your lotus feet and beg for
forgiveness. < |
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Thank you for begging
forgiveness. I do feel merciful to you. But as I
want you to realise your foolishness I feel it is
best you remain unforgiven so perhaps you can start
to understand what it means to remain committed and
responsible to the spiritual master. |
> there is one extenuating factor in this regard in
my favour though - if one should meet a
self-realized soul either through chance or
guidance, then irrespective of time, place or
circumstance, one should immediately take innitation
from him." Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's instructions to
Sanatana Gosvami.< |
But in CC it is clear that one
can only have 1 diksa guru:
"A devotee must have only one initiating spiritual
master because in the scriptures acceptance of more
than one is always forbidden. There is no limit,
however, to the number of instructing spiritual
masters one may accept. Generally a spiritual master
who constantly instructs a disciple in spiritual
science becomes his initiating spiritual master
later on". CC Adi 1.35
Therefore this means that you must take initiation
unless you have already done so. Not that it means
you can go unfaithfully from one diksa guru to
another when you feel like a divorce. It just makes
a mockery of the meaning of diksa. |
> this whole thing is deeply upsetting and it pains
me so much that you don't recognize Srila Narayana
Maharaja as a pure devotee. <
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You have done so much nice
service in ISKCON so it is deeply upsetting to us
all to see you leaving the pure devotee Srila
Prabhupada's ISKCON association. HH Narayana
Maharaja is certainly a pure devotee of Krishna but
he is not the Founder Acharya who has
authoritatively established Krishna's treachings
worldwide like Srila Prabhupada has ISKCON. I must
properly offer my respects to so many pure devotees.
HH Narayana Maharaja is
my spiritual cousin (taking initiation from
Prabhupada's godbrother) and I respect him as such
but as he is not teaching and following Prabhupada's
teachings how can I accept him in preference to my
spiritual master Srila
Prabhupada who is his spiritual uncle? I would be
happy if as an enlightened cousin he would accept
Srila Prabhupada's desire that we work together
cooperatively under the GBC. But although a pure
devotee he seems to have a
chip on his shoulder about that. In comparison to
Srila Prabhupada I cannot see that he has achieved
so much to give Krishna to others. That is Srila
Prabhupada's and our Sampradaya's "gosthyanandi"
yardstick to judge advancement.
Narayan Maharaja has mostly given shelter to those
who for various reasons are disenchanted with
ISKCON. If he can guide you as Prabhupada has taught
then I would give all credit to him. But what is the
sign of following
Prabhupada if he can give diksa to someone like you
who has already been initiated? It does not make
sense even. It is not possible to have 2 diksas.
I am very suspicious of his intentions after this.
There are many other instances when he initiates
those in good standing. He does not seem to know
very much about standard Vaisnava etiquette. It
seems openly offensive to
Srila Prabhupada that he does not recognise
Prabhupada's disciples as bonafide gurus. Maybe he
just wants to wage war on ISKCON because he was
offended in the past.
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| > i dont know how you can say
that. Obviously pressure from the GBC to tow the
partyline and how it will affect your position in
ISKCON has a lot to do with it. < |
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When I accept the GBC's authority
it is because it was clearly Srila Prabhupada's
instruction we conduct his ISKCON movement in this
way rather than have one acharya or pure devotee. It
is definitely towing the party line - but
Prabhupada's party line. Please look up many
relevant supporting references for following the GBC
in Vanipedia |
| > I can only pray to Srila
Prabhupada and Krsna to inspire you from within your
heart of hearts to see that you have had the good
fortune to receive the seed of pure bhakti from a
mahabhagavat self realized devotee, why you would
not want that for others also? < |
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Thanks for your prayers for my
well being. I also wanted you to receive the seed of
pure bhakti so I initiated you as a grandson of
Srila Prabhupada and his siksa disciple. I regret
you have temporarily lost the vision of that good
fortune. But I am still praying you will snap out of
your spiritual childishness sooner or later.
I think it is your nature to be anti-establishment
to institutions in general. I was also like that
until I found that Prabhupada's lotus feet was a
preaching institution like a desire tree. Then I saw
that here was the ultimate shelter which needn't be
rebelled against. I am sorry that now all of a
sudden you have started to see ISKCON as separate
from Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet. Even though I
see ISKCON needs improvement I know that Srila
Prabhupada wants us to assist him in making the
ISKCON institution as perfect as possible to give
Krishna to humanity worldwide. It is a gosthyanandi
(preacher's) institution therefore it has to
confront so many obstacles in the battle. Therefore
I want to be part of it. Its rival institutions,
traitors and hecklers will naturally be there also.
But let us see what they can do to please Krishna by
spreading Krishna consciousness.
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| > hoping you are well and happy
in your service to Sri Guru and Gauranga. < |
Thank you
Hoping that this finds you and Kim well in Krishna
consciousness,
Your Wellwishing,
Mahavishnu Swami |
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PS - When all's said and done I
just feel that you are suffering the result of being
careless in your association. You were not chaste
and faithful and allowed yourself to become poisoned
by hearing criticisms of ISKCON from weak devotees
who were not following strictly but tamasic. I have
also heard from reliable sources that you had been
breaking the regulative principles quite a bit since
you were initiated by me. You never told me about
this. This has impaired you judgement for the time
being.
See BG 14:8 and purport.
Hopefully you can recover from this infection. I am
ready to forgive and forget providing you sincerely
regret your mistake. Then let us belt it out in
kirtana together again letting byegones be byegones. |
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